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CIARAN hello
GUEST: Hello
I am Hans
DK
CIARAN hello hans
GUEST: I have read your forum for some days
CIARAN cool
GUEST: This is fresh
CIARAN thanks, man
it's been a while coming
GUEST: I am its alive
I mean: I sense there is something working
CIARAN yes
GUEST: English is not my first language
CIARAN well i barely speak it anyway
so don't worry
GUEST: It has put a lot of things in perspective for me to see the way you handle enlightenment
CIARAN cool
you there yet?
GUEST: well
back and forth
so no
CIARAN describe back and forth
GUEST: I have meditated daily for 7years
often I feel freedom
CIARAN and then it goes awau
away
sure
GUEST: yes
CIARAN ok
it's not a problem with you
the issue is that
the meditative approach
is
how to put this
it's like covering yourself in feathers
and hoping you can fly
you're kind of putting yourself
in the state that
an enlightened person dwells in
and hoping it's going to stick
right?
GUEST: yes Í follow you
CIARAN ok
well i did that
or at least i tried
triggered plenty of 'satori
but no enlightenmnet
it was very disheartening
every time i got this pure wave of peace
even in the fullest flush of it
i could feel it bleeding out
make sense?
GUEST: yes, but still I believe that meditation has made some changes for me, cleared a way
CIARAN sure
it's not useless
it's much better than trying to understand it logically or whatever
however
what you will need to do
to actually get enlightened
is the same
whether your heads full of mess
or full of zen
let me be clear
i have enlightened specialist philosophers of logic
and one actual schizophrenic
yes
in real life
these people were not at peace
and although these are extreme cases
and not the norm
they prove
beyond a doubt
that meditation
while useful as an auxiliry
is in fact
incidental
to the core mechanism
of awakening
right?
Sent at 11:31 PM on Tuesday
GUEST: yes, this is exactly my problem. I have a busy day and I get away from myself, lost in work etc and I tell myself that I need to concentrate on my medition to clean up the mess
CIARAN yeah
ok
so
cool
let's talk about the core process
ok?
GUEST: ok
CIARAN the core process revolves around
the intersection
between cause and effect
and life as such
this is where the unenlightened state
actually derives
from interference
between these two things
does that make sense?
i explain it in the blog
GUEST: yes
CIARAN ok cool
the way to become enlightened
is just to see
exactly how they really fit together
GUEST: my mind is looking for a tool
CIARAN that's fine
don't worry about that
i'll give you a monkey wrench if you want it
it's this
look
think about how we layer cause and effect over the full experience of life
in the present moment
what you'll find
if you focus
and be disciplined with yourself
is that we assume
basically
that 'we'
are watching a video
that is life
and the video effects 'us'
right?
GUEST: yep
CIARAN ok
this is endemic
everyone does it
and that's because
you don't need to teach this
cause and effect
is the lens through which
we see the world
so the idea
of this video 'we' are watching
that's having an effect on 'us'
just kind of arises
right?
GUEST: yes
CIARAN ok
the thing to realise
and if you can see this
that is you enlightened
is that the video
IS the totality of all things
you
such as you are
exist within the video
there is no audience
there is just the film
and you are
how to put this
within the present moment
an assumption exists
that there is someone experiencing it
that assumption
is part of the present
as all things are
right?
GUEST: yes I get that
CIARAN ok
dude by the way
you are very, very close
7 years of meditation
has gotten you right to the edge
and you know
i do not say such things lightly
but anyway
look
just look
enlightenmnet is not an energy field
it is much simpler than that
it is just the recognition
of the truth
that the 'you'
that you and everyone else on the planet
holds as the foundational assumption
of their lives
is in fact
wholly fictional
now what i want you to do
is take 10 minutes
i'm having a cigarette
and look
at the truth
ok?
GUEST: ok, I take one myself
CIARAN cool
see you in 10
GUEST: sure, and thanks for taking the time
Sent at 11:41 PM on Tuesday
GUEST: Hi again
CIARAN hello
how's it going?
GUEST: I get a feeling when concentrating on the problem
my heart is beating
CIARAN cool
GUEST: I also have an inner judge
blaming myself
CIARAN sure
GUEST: and I sense, as I have done before, that I am on the brink
CIARAN sure
you are
want to tip over?
GUEST: sure
There is something I feel like I reqognice
CIARAN sure
here's the issue you're having. when you said "I get a feeling when concentrating on the problem" that was the giveaway
GUEST: how?
CIARAN well look
one of the main problems
with the meditative approach
is that it sees enlightenment
in terms of the
i suppose you might call it
emotional signature
of the state
which isn't wrong as such
but isn't going to get you there
firstly you said 'i've got a feeling.'
what you need to do
to awaken
has nothing to do with your mood
or any of the swirly emotional impulses
that run through you
no matter how peaceful
or serene
GUEST: that is clear to me, but I find it hard to describe what is going without refering to what I feel in my mind and body
CIARAN i know
focus
focus
focus
the second thing you said was this
"concentrating on the problem"
that really is the core
of what is keeping you away
from enlightenmnet
but firstly
and before we get to it
you need to be very disciplined with yourself
to resist the temptation
to try to cross
some kind of spiritual
or emotional bridge
can you do that?>
GUEST: yes I can
CIARAN good
so
"concentrating on the problem"
let's take those two big words
one at a time
concentrating
let's start with that
the computer in front of you
do you need to concentrate in order to see it?
GUEST: no
CIARAN what do you need to do?
GUEST: keep my eyes open
CIARAN exactly
no effort is involved at all
and here's another question
if you leave the room
and go out
with your mates
and become drunk
and have a laugh
and completely forget that the computer exists
does the computer go away?
GUEST: no, still here
CIARAN good
ok
so
what you need to do
is exactly that
i have given you enough information
to focus you like an arrow
at your target
in terms of the metaphor
the computer is right in front of you
all you need to do
is open your eyes
so
that's not the same
as concentrating
concentrating is a totally different animal
GUEST: ok
CIARAN concentrating is where you focus on something
until you 'get' it
now
when you think about enlightenment
it seems hidden
and important
so this makes sense
buit
it is a trap
you do not need to concentrate
at all
in any way
no effort of any kind
except the most minimal effort of looking
is required
make sense?
GUEST: Yes, still there is a missing link
CIARAN we'll get to that
GUEST: I can stop focusing and concentrating, I often do, but that is just the normal me
CIARAN don't overthink it
GUEST: no enligthenment there
CIARAN not yet
but again
don't try to work it out
it's not that kind of thing
it's just looking
active yes
loads of effort
no
that's all
nothing special
nothing zenny
just normal looking
like you normally would look at a thing
in normal terms
GUEST: ok
CIARAN normally
GUEST: I got the idea when smoking, that I would need something
somekind of object or other people to
test on
CIARAN sure
you can do that
but
it's not hard
especially if you've spent 7 years
working the subject
you know enough
time to go in for the kill
right?
GUEST: super right
CIARAN ok
good
GUEST: ok have a new angle at this
now
CIARAN good
but remember
there was a second word
we wanted to look at
"concentrating on the problem"
problem
is the second word
and here
right here
is the core
of the lock
everything i've said so far
everything
really
has just been me
getting you ready
to look at this
ok?
GUEST: ok
CIARAN do you feel ready?
wanna give it a go?
GUEST: sure
CIARAN ok
cool
GUEST: hit me
CIARAN problem
is an interesting word
because yes
enlightenment is a problem
especially if you don't have it
it is wholly natural
to look at this
like it's a thing that needs a resolution
and in a way
it is
GUEST: I was specially thinking about the no-me
CIARAN yes
good
exactly what you need to think about
now i put this in clear conceptual terms
but the issue with that
is that it is very easy
to start seeing it
as a conceptual puzzle
and as i'm sure you know
it isn't
what it is
in its essence
is a kind of pattern
that's a very weird word to use
because yes
technically
it's more like the absence of a pattern
but let's no go down that road
and confuse ourselves
think of it like a pattern
a pattern in a tapestry
that you are looking for
i can tell you
that the pattern
is squiggly
and blue
and shaped like a monkey
but
i cannot see it for you
you have to find it
you have to just open your eyes
maybe unfocus them slightly
and try to see the pattern i describe
now we're lucky
because this pattern
is massively simpler
and we're also lucky
because pattern recognition
as a human faculty
is permanent
once you see that monkey
it doesn't matter if you walk off
and live for another fifty years
the next time you see that tapestry
you will see that pattern
this is like that
the idea
that there is no 'you' living life
but only life
in a real
and literal sense
is actually true
just as the pattern in the tapestry
is actually there
in real life
you can pretend
that you see the blue monkey
here
or there
but
that will always fade
and isn't real anyway
if you see it
you're done
and it takes
well
ten seconds?
maybe 30 to deepen it properly
now
scroll back up
and read that thing again
about the video
i'm off for another smoke
GUEST: ok, I will
CIARAN you're off to see what you can see
ok?
back in 10
GUEST: see you
Sent at 12:14 AM on Wednesday
GUEST: Ok, what happens is that understand totally what you say and I also understand that it is very simple. I keep telling myself that I need more proofs, I have an urge to make concepts out of it - this should be more, it cant be that simple
CIARAN it is that simple
don't trust me
test me
it doesn't matter
if you believe this is going to work or not
it is real
so it is there
GUEST: I know it is real
CIARAN knowing isn't the point though
seeing is
look
seriously man
focus
i can't get this to you
if you don't come to me
you have to focus
really well
leash your shit in
GUEST: I am, there is nothing
CIARAN not focus on it
focus yourself
GUEST: I do
CIARAN clearly not enough mate
no offence
this is very simple
very simple
GUEST: tell me once again
CIARAN no
GUEST: trapped
CIARAN no
you're not trapped
there's just
'being trapped'
there's no you
you're not trying to get this
there's just
'trying to get this'
there's no you
at all
look
don't give up
you're almost there
i swear it
GUEST: I dont know what to write, but I am here
CIARAN you are where?
GUEST: in front of the screen chatting with you
CIARAN no you're not
there is no you
you're not there
GUEST: I am smiling
CIARAN no you're not
there's just smiling
GUEST: there is smile
CIARAN yes
GUEST: laughter
CIARAN no you
GUEST:
CIARAN yes
you're not laughing
there's just laughter
GUEST: more
CIARAN you don't need more
you're looking at it
see the truth of it
GUEST: something tells me this is a trick
CIARAN no
something tells this is a trick
GUEST: I want to understand
CIARAN it's not telling you
there is no you
and no
you don't want to understand
there is just 'wanting to understand'
there is no you
GUEST: this is incredible
CIARAN decribe it
GUEST: I am moved
CIARAN more
GUEST: light feeling
CIARAN yes
YES#
more
describe it more
GUEST: I worry that this is a trick
CIARAN if it's not a trick
your doubt won't hurt it
do don't worry about that
just describe it
seriously
focus
don't lose the clear sight of it
look
and tell me what you see
just keep talking
i'll tell you when to stop
GUEST: ok,I wil try
CIARAN there's just trying
there's no you
go on
GUEST: I sense my body
CIARAN no
there is just the sense of your body
GUEST: I do
CIARAN it's not your sense
you don't
GUEST: ok ok
CIARAN it's not your sense
GUEST:
CIARAN keep going
GUEST: I still have the smile on
CIARAN describe what you see
GUEST: wondering what is going on
CIARAN describe what you see
GUEST: you mean in front of me
?
CIARAN is there a you?
GUEST: not sure
CIARAN find out
now
look
you are the imagination of yourself
GUEST: it hides
CIARAN look
it's not hiding
it's just not there
there is no you
GUEST: yes, the idea of me can be turned off
CIARAN not turned off
seen
as an untruth
look
GUEST: it leaves me with nothing
CIARAN no
everything remains
everything is real
except you
the feelings are real
the life is real
the mind is real
the hope is real
the fear is real
the body is real
you
are the only fiction
GUEST: I get it
CIARAN describe it
GUEST: it is dificult
CIARAN i know
but try
GUEST: i am just here
CIARAN no
i swear to god
i will slap you
you are not just here
there is 'just here'
no you
GUEST: there is just this thing writing on my keyboard
CIARAN YES
GUEST: wondering how I got here
CIARAN YES
GUEST: I remember this
CIARAN no
you do not remember
there is only memory
GUEST: memories of being totally seperated from me
CIARAN irrelevant
there is no you
to be separated from
look deeply into it
there is no you
there's just life
in all its fullness
flowing
GUEST: yes
CIARAN through the eternity of this moment
look
see
see it
ther eis no you
just life
GUEST: that is clear
CIARAN but is it true?
GUEST: this is new
CIARAN but is it true?
GUEST: yes
CIARAN how true?
GUEST: 100 pct
I dont know what to call it, its very much the same
CIARAN yes
it is subtle
but it deepens
the deeper you look
GUEST: I wouldnt call this enlightenment
CIARAN haha
no, it is a bad name
GUEST: but there is a shift
CIARAN yes
GUEST: and an easy one
CIARAN yes
tell you what
cigarette break?
GUEST: right time
CIARAN good
back in 10
GUEST: yes see you
Sent at 12:43 AM on Wednesday
GUEST: ok
first of all
walking through my living room into the kitchen
was something very different
it was just the walking and wondering about it and it felt strange
The no-me is real
Sent at 12:51 AM on Wednesday
CIARAN cool
i think you're done
GUEST: it is doing it
CIARAN yup
GUEST: not using it as a mantra
CIARAN that's the one
GUEST: thinking it leads no-where
there are many thoughts
is this real?
CIARAN yes
GUEST: this needs to be worked with
CIARAN haha
yes it does
i'm proud of you man
you made it
GUEST: it is dificult to talk about, dont feel like I have made something
CIARAN you're my first viking
well
you haven't really
and it is weird to talk about
but it's real as anything
GUEST: not like anything, just a small opening
CIARAN yeah, crazy isn't it?
that's why people like yourself
spend 7 years working it
the problem you have
is not that you're not really trying
you are
very hard
the problem is that you're looking
for something big
and actually
it's really small
like the eye of a needle
GUEST: I have read a lot
CIARAN i'm sure you have
that stuff will probably make more sense now
GUEST: and also of people who I am sure have got it
and they tell the same thing as you do
so, why does this work?
CIARAN it's just real
you remember the reason the problem arises
GUEST: on fucking google talkj?
CIARAN hahaha
yeah man
enlightenment 3.0
1.0 was buddha
2.0 was rage
this
GUEST:
CIARAN is 3.0
anyway
glad you're out
i think that's me done here
i'll leave you with this
the state of enlightenment
is not binary
yes
you can be either in or out
GUEST: You got to stay with me for a couple of days
CIARAN but once in
listen
once in
the state can be deepened
and that's your next play
the guy
who is the best in the world
at deepening the state
isn't me
i'm the specialise
in transmission
to deepen
well
look a little closer to home
for just south of the danish border
lies a land called germany
from which a man called Eckhart Tolle has come
he's your next port of call
GUEST: I never read him
CIARAN perhaps it's time you did
GUEST: ok, where to start?
CIARAN his audio work is the best
you get the full power of his presence
he thrums with it
you can get it on youtube
buy it off amazon
or if
like me
you are a bastard
you can nick it off the webnet
through the use of piracy
GUEST: ok, is there a work to start with?
CIARAN not his books
too much theory
GUEST: I do piracy
CIARAN haha
viking
so anyway
just download a chunk of his talks
his problem
is that often he tries to gear his work
toward cracking people out
but that's not really his thing
his thing
is deepening the state
so
just dig around man
he's brilliant
GUEST: I will,
CIARAN cool
well
speak soon dude
and well done
GUEST: thanks
CIARAN my pleasure
GUEST: really, thanks for doing this
CIARAN really, my pleasure
oh
one thing though
friend me on facebook
GUEST: yes?
CIARAN that way we can keep in touch
GUEST: I am not on Facebook anymore
CIARAN then get on the forum
GUEST: ok, I will sign up there
CIARAN and private message me
i have a list of people who are enlightened
it's important
that people can see
that it's not magic
and it is real
so just tell me what your username is
when you get there
and i'll chalk you up
ok?
GUEST: super fine
CIARAN cool
goodnight mate
and have fun
GUEST: goodnight